And thus, I think that the only way to self regulate is to have benchmarks that people must reach to be in leadership positions. But the dishonest churches can be relied upon to cry persecution. Acts 6:15, they were enraged. Don't you know that the way he behaved and treated people is no big deal? I wish just one person would have spoken up sooner. we will see jesus face to face I dont want you to take your slander etc with you. James River Church - Leadership not always what they portray i want to again put a human face on what Mark Driscoll and others in Acts 29 insist on keeping free of anything but CEO Business speak and mistakes that were made. Consider how he attained it fleecing the flock. Is that leader with a criminal record hitting on your young teen? I will post about this. I read somewhere that the church that bought, I think, the main campus property has a female pastor. *carefully targeting pastors who want to build an empire of their own with an easy publicity stunt (although described Christian-like so it actually sounds noble, in both marketing and in the buying pastors self-talk), @ LT: Thats an interesting thought. we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. Im not saying that I don't believe anyone, I really just want to learn the other side of this argument. Why exiles dont speak out is a strange phenomenon. The movie was sooooooo good. i hope people will go back and read the whole thing if they havent yet. I find that when the Lord is using my mouth it is never vulgar or rude. http://www.nancyalcorn.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=21 Beloved minister had a secret life that came to light after his murder My heart aches for all those whom Mark Driscoll hurt from the Petrys and Meyers to the young and impressionable. Or is it just a GW thing? Gateway is so deceptive in all their practices. I dont think he would agree he is doing well at all. The bathrooms were tiny and not particularly nice. (This was all before the sex sermons and book.) mode. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=i7lv9oMjv_0&sns=em&app=desktop. @ Bridget: http://godsbreath.net/2007/11/07/qualifications-for-pastors/, A few items: A preacher is not to be- When Robert brags about lunching with Greg Abbott, golfing with George W Bush or being Rick Santorums spiritual advisor, it makes me feel ill. And Ive certainly heard many tales of people who were awful people moving onto ministry later on in life. They just have to shamelessly scam more money in the name of Jesus. Did he have liveried Armorbearers blowing long trumpets before him to announce how HUMBLE(TM) he was (chuckle chuckle)? COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . kudos to the hosts of the aussie tv show that made brian huston look at the absolute facts and rediculousness of his supporting (and paying for) an american mega pastor who is well known in christian circuits I use the term rediculous because I dont want to be mean or judgmental, but I believe that brian was all for helping mark get back in the saddle until it cost him some publicity. IMO they are not qualified to interpret the Bible. He doesnt come near to meeting basic societal criteria for a decent person. I also dont think he should work or earn profit in any manner making money off Jesus (such as selling Christian books, pod casts, site subscriptions, accepting speaking fees to appear at churches, etc). Would you hire back the embezzler to count your cash drawer after he served a short sentence because you forgave him? What am I saying? He screamed and swore. Pokin Around: 'Cussing pastor' to preach at James River Church Driscoll has used this vague parallels to himself many times, framing the sermon in the context of his own life with the lives of other noble characters, most notably Jesus. He has not shown himself capable of being trusted with that sort of ministry in the first place. I am not the judge of the hearts of men, but God has given us clues to the genuine presence of the Spirit, and I did not see it. Yes, thanks for this. Pouring what, exactly? Its a measure of arrogance, tweeted retired attorney and flight instructor Jeanne Mann on Sunday with a photo from the gathering. That has made logical sense to me forever. If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, they have something to hide. I am still finding it hard to believe that Mr. Houston doesnt have access to Google, or some other search engine, in Australia. "Martin Luther, the great reformer, said this: 'If you preach the gospel in all aspects with the exception of the issues which deal specifically with your time you are not preaching the gospel at all.' I saw many warnings but there seemed to be some explanation for most of it. He told me Tuesday that he has every right to campaign for repeal in a sermon. pure grace are you or have been in similar situation to stephen? full of manly manness and praise of human strength and wisdom and all the attributes mark has himself. The guests are members and attendees (because many regulars never joined). I dont think Christians have to throw out common sense/reason/logic. Maybe six months from now, there'll be another terrible story, and we'll know that they BS'd us. Then I would take notice that there might be something to their repentance. Mark Driscoll has a lot of repenting to do and until he does that he should not be permitted to preach/speak at any church. Regardless of your tilt on the subject, Lindell appears to go out of his way to make it into the news on the subject. He fails all or almost all the qualifications laid out for that role as outlined in the New Testament. I have read both accounts that Che was short for Chancho and also a play on his habitually calling everyone che which is slang for pal/friend etc. starting to act animalistic the resistance is increasing, how will stephen respond?. It could be that they are as ignorant as I once was, but it makes me distrust their judgment and discernment and dislike them all the same. -Any allegations are probably not as bad as the truths. Mega-church Christianity with its rock bands, light shows, huge screens, and glitz reminds me more of Broadway than a church. Mark is playing the victim. Its just too lucrative of a franchise, you dont want to lose that. I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. For all the lack of American Idol production values I learned more in that one day of teaching at that little church then I did in all the years I attended Gateway. However, we also see that David and Samuel were permitted to speak out publicly against Saul in truth. Did this evil plot involve the use of ninjas or leprechauns? For mr. driscoll to change the whole meaning of this into the sponge was probably really used as toilet paper because he did some study in some far away country is to bring doubt to Gods prophecies and the fulfilment of them. News flash: Jesus is the hero of scripture. It is the normalization of sociopathy. Mark Driscoll was totally missing those things. They noted that since the pandemic began, they have taken very stringent precautions at each service, including: take temperatures at the door, fog-sanitize their auditorium, sanitize the childrens areas and common areas multiple times daily and provide masks to everyone who attends. CAn you see him in some sort of corporate environment working for a woman? Connection ends, shunning begins and the cycle begins all over again with the next batch of newbies. He was an abusing thug. and humility i think is something that is a mark of a true christian that cant be faked, it always looks fake when people try to do that. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. Youre not one of us. How can a reasonable person look past that? Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. ( As with the dituation with John Mark mentioned in Acts, and the conflict with Peter mentioned in Galatians. As a result, the IRS has guidelines on their political activity. But we don't know yet for sure. I know you are already familiar with it but for anyone else not familiar, it was written in the context of David and Saul. Its really big in Charismatic/Pentecostal circles I think mainly because they are more predisposed to bad behavior (think TBN and Daystar whackos). Yes, I am familiar with Che and what he represents. Finding out who and what Robert Morris really is inherently taints many others on the religious and political right, thereby making me question all my prior values and decisions. Just volunteers. "Nor is it outside the parameters of a gospel ministry. This was not due to the kindness of the elders (who told us we could not leave because we were under church discipline). Years ago, he spoke from the pulpit against the expansion of casino gambling in Missouri. Right now i am in the second week of trying to help sort out a custody battle between two very wonderful young people. For those who follow celebrities, I dont, this is the church that made it into the news last year. Members are guests? In 2019, James River reported an average weekly attendance of 19,000,[1]making it one of the ten largest AG churches and one of the largest churches in Missouri (subsequently Springfield). Or is it just a GW thing? The issue, however, is character, evidenced by a pattern of behavior reported with regard to bullying behavior, narcissitic traits, etc. Based on my experience, this public story should be seen as somewhat inevitable in how they operate. He essentially called the Driscoll victims liars and persecutors. I hope I am wrong. They are not good for him, and he not good for the people he leads. I know people who were previously baptized that jumped in to get the swag. But forgiveness doesnt mean the church should open itself to his abuse again no need to return him to the pulpit since he wasnt a genuine minister to begin with; there was no evidence of the call of God on his life given his dismal run as a pastor. God knows that we dont need that sort of ministry again..
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