(Note the attempted injection of humour!). So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. . MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Marantha! He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. All rights reserved. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. (You can read the follow up five years later! Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! Will you not come and revive us? In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." It is quite shocking. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. So it wasnt all bad. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Name me one church that has handled everything well. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. 1. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. Required fields are marked *. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. New International Version 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. I hope this mature and open enough for you! Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Finally that book! For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. MacArthur responded, "Go home." But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. You were rightthat was not very mature. Excellent post! It all depends how you measure success! Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. If you dont like it, too bad. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. I surrendered to a calling of God. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Simply not true. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. I'm a bank robber. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. Furtick preaches a different gospel. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! Do you still endorse it? If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. I find this very revealing. I will reply to them briefly. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Market data provided by Factset. (John MacArthur). John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. 2. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." Hardly the same as Furticks message! And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. Thanks for this. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Their influence has been growing and recently . In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. (Ezek. There is nothing more basic than these. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. 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