It was seen as a given that Greg Maddux would go into the Hall of Fame wearing the cap of the Atlanta Braves, the team for which he spent the most time and had the most success. If nothing else, hearing whats said behind the gloves supported the notion that pitchers might not be so paranoid after all when it comes to the cone of silence they wear on their non-throwing hands. Maddux will go 16-11 with a 3.96 ERA in 218 1/3 innings in what will be his final season in Atlanta. I remember it was howling out pretty good. Maddux, in the meantime, was already removing his mixer vest and walking out to the mound. One medical emergency could have dramatically changed the landscape of baseball in the 1990s. Nobody could tell. At his peak, he threw in the low-90s with regularity. It was incredible to see but what I remember most was the Yankees clubhouse after the game. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. "Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters during his career and only 310 saw a 3-0 count. I know, he would say, that hes not going to swing at a breaking ball for the first strike. My favorite part of pitching, Maddux said, well, there are lots of favorite parts, really. I wouldnt even say that I am partial to pitchers of Madduxs particular style; Ive always preferred power pitchers. Vintage San Diego Padres Lot Tony Gwynn Roberto Alomar Rookie Greg Maddux Mint. Then in late December Maddux surprisingly and without warning accepted arbitration. On Monday, ESPNs Ethan Strauss reminded us about a fantastic quote that Maddux once had about Gwynn that summed up his sensational career. On May 17, 1988, Greg Maddux threw 10 shutout innings at Wrigley Field against the St. Louis Cardinals. When Greg Maddux threw out the first pitch ahead of Game 5 of the 2021 World Series, Atlanta Braves fans at Truist Park were completely beside themselves. Thats mostly true. But Maddux utterly enthralled me. But I really know how to do this. " The key to pitching is to have the ability to throw a strike when they're taking and throw a ball when the hitter is swinging. Clearly, things worked out fine for the Yankees, who won four championships during Madduxs 11-year tenure with the Braves. You know what Im saying? Thanks for contacting us. That loaded the bases for Luis Alicea. Kasten made the vow not only out of gratitude toward Maddux--who pitched for the Braves for 11 seasons--but also as a fan of baseball history. So there has to be common sense in there saying that hes got to come in sooner or later.. Finesse is just not a word you often hear to describe mythical beasts like Maddux. (Photo by . You kind of go there to sign the contract and everything. However, these statistics presented as facts are not correct. He struck out 15 times during the entire 1995 season a year in which he batted .368. You might think Maddux could have written a textbook in pitching efficiency that day, but actually, the game was probably moving too quick. There is a legend that once Maddux was sitting in the dugout watching the game closely. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Reality: Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters during his career. Me, I try to locate better., Consistency is something you can always improve on. I used to circle his start dates on my calendar; I never did that for another pitcher, not even Pedro Martnez in his prime, not even Dwight Gooden in 1985, not even Max Scherzer when he was throwing near no-hitters and perfect games every other start. This row, however, does not mean that there were 312 plate appearances that saw a 30 count. I expect to be back. And finally, his wife (Kathy) told him, If youre going to say those things when youre on TV, at least cover your mouth.. That's what you do to pitch. If thats not respect, I dont know what is. The breezy back-and-forth lasted all of one batter, a strikeout, but it had the air of a baseball document being declassified. He didnt measure his fastball with velocity or his circle-change with deception or his curveball with the sharpness of the break. Something I missed out on was witnessing the greatness of Greg Maddux pitch a baseball. You remember that people called him The Professor. Between their success and trades of, Its amazing how quickly those on the PGA Tour have done a 180 regarding cuts in tournament golf. Well hear from both parties shortly, but the quick version is that Clark believes that was the tipping point in pitchers covering their mouths with their gloves during mound sessions. You hear all this talk about cheating in baseball. One of the most useful research tools on Baseball Reference is the Splits data. Maddux, famously, has a near-photographic memory for pitch sequencing, but he was in no position to confirm or deny much about how he approached Clark in Game 1 of the NLCS. I only know one way to pitch. In other words, Clark already had a substantial case for expecting an inside fastball. Still, Maddux is a Hall of Famer and theres no reason to dispute otherwise. I could probably throw harder if I wanted, but why? In those three seasons, Maddux faced 3,060 batters, and 158 roughly 5.1% saw a 30 count. These miscellaneous characteristics include all counts with a certain number of balls or strikes as well as first pitch, pitcher ahead, count even, and batter ahead. pic.twitter.com/mcXx0MemJf, Detroit Tigers (@tigers) March 19, 2020. Liked by Greg Maddux. Maddux was the ace of a Braves team that dominated the division throughout most of the 1990s and early 2000s. Instead of doing 5 good pitches an inning, try to make six. One reason was his pinpoint control, with his ability to notch front-corner strikes leading to claims that umpires gave him a much wider strike zone than the rest of the league. The assumptions of Maddux being a great pitcher are absolutely correct. Yes, the pitcher and the catcher are talking to each other to strategize how they attack the hitters and I can't believe how much I love this.pic.twitter.com/wUTdk2mrgN. And I tagged it. That's straight from the pitcher himself, and, yes, he said he was bound headlong for pinstripes before the team failed to make him an offer. Theres no need to add myths to the equation. 22, someone really ought to deliver a speech while shielding their face with a baseball glove. Writer Jason Lukehart invented the statistic in 2012 and named it after his favorite baseball player, Greg Maddux. He explained that you can see something that pertains to what theyre going to do. There is no special food or anything like that, I just try to make quality pitches and try to be prepared each time I go out there. The Giants led 8-3 en route to a tone-setting 11-3 series-opening victory. I'd rather try and not win than not try at all. -- Greg Maddux, I was under the impression I had signed a three-year contract. I look forward to another good year next year. I expect to be back. "It might be the last time we ever see 300," Kasten says. " People judge too much by results. You're not going to win by automatically going out there. The Yankees had offered the right-hander $6 million more. Lesson? You can always do more of what you are doing well and try to be as consistent as you can be. Exactly, Clark said. The pitches were nothing special, Bernie Williams insisted. There are 1,165 unknown pitch counts, so there could actually be more than just this, but its still not 310. He had grown to like that pitch a lot. Clark also noticed that Maddux was taking a different tack with the other left-handed batters in the lineup that day: Butler, Pat Sheridan, Terry Kennedy and switch-hitter Jos Uribe. LOS ANGELES, CA - SEPTEMBER 19: Greg Maddux #36 of the Los Angeles Dodgers pitches against the San Francisco Giants at Dodger Stadium on September 19, 2008 in Los Angeles, California. Nobodys watching the minor-league games. For instance, in 1995, he started off hitters with strikes more than 63 percent of the time. (John Swart / Associated Press), Will Clark bats at Wrigley in 1989 (Jonathan Daniel / Getty Images). Even in his time, Maddux along with his Hall of Fame teammate Tom Glavine was pretty famous for getting pitches off the plate. Nit-picky? Period. The chances were right there! Greg Maddux Quotes and Sayings - Page 1. All-time leader: Tony Mullane, 112 Active leader: Zack Greinke, 9 He would win at least 15 games in every year with the team. In other words, the last pitch of the plate appearance came on a 30 count. Many believe that the 1987 Canon is Greg Maddux's rarest card, but I believe that to be untrue. If not for the unnamed Yankees executive suffering a heart attack, things could have been real different for each of the storied franchises. Maddux thought it hit a ghost. Gwynn struck out 434 times in 10,232 plate appearances. I agree to receive the "CBS Sports HQ Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. "I was shocked I didn't get offered a contract. Order the book at store.bookbaby.com. Stealing strikes. Its a lot better if you can look for one pitch in a certain area and get really fine in what youre doing. They didnt have the technology they have now, Hudler said. Maddux did face 20,421 batters over the course of his 23-year career. The magician Teller offered one of my favorite magic quotes to Esquires Chris Jones when he said: Sometimes magic is just spending more time on something than anyone else might reasonably expect. Madduxs magic, at least part of it, came from thinking about pitching at such depths that it went beyond what even hitters might reasonably expect. What has benefited me the most is learning I can't control what happens outside of my pitching. Privacy Policy. But the Royals television analyst noted that other factors, such as the explosion of camera angles starting in the early 90s, put pitchers on alert and denied him a favorite competitive edge. I pitched just good enough to lose. -- Greg Maddux, I take golf trips with my brother or with friends. I guess I'll have to get a second job. The Thrill was already 2 for 2 off Maddux in Game 1, having doubled in a run in the first inning and hitting a solo homer in the third. Although his fastball often sat in the upper 80s, he . He could do anything he wanted with a baseball. (Some versions say 133 instead of 310 and leave out intentional walks.) And he didnt come in that at-bat. His control was so impeccable that Orel Hershiser once said Maddux can throw a ball in a teacup. The reality of Greg Maddux is amazing enough. Maddux was drafted and signedby the Chicago Cubs in 1982, but he wouldn't make his MLBdebut until a couple years later. 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But that is a mere speck compared to the veritable Fort Knox Gallo delivered on Wednesday, joining MLB Network to tell the story of the time he pitched a no-hitter and then took Greg Maddux's . But the Hall . In the lead-up to the 2021 World Series, Atlanta Braves legend Tom Glavine is not one to cast a stone at the Houston Astros for their infamous sign-stealing scandal. 8th inning: Three groundouts. Consistency is something you can always improve on. Maddux pulled him aside, as Martin recalled, and suggested the games would go smoother if Martin simply set up on the outside corner and called no pitches. It would be nice to win, too. -- Greg Maddux, I don't care if we're out of it or not, if I've got a chance to pitch, I want to. -- Greg Maddux, My stuff was all right, but it's not about pitching good. It was quite funny. What do I do now? The righthander was discussing how changing speeds and having control are far more important than velocity, because no hitter can tell the exact speed of a pitch. I feel like I can be more aggressive, he said. It's about winning. This is what his average season in Atlanta looked like: 18-8, 230 IP, 6 CG, 166 SO, 35 BB, 2.63 ERA. You take that chance.. Gloves down so everyone can hear. He wound up signing a five-year, $28 million pact with the Braves, and that turned into one of the biggest free-agent steals ever, at least from the club standpoint. Whats interesting, Maddux said, is that it seems like the better the hitter, the easier it is to get them to take a strike. And let's not forget that this was during one of the offensive heights in baseball history. One of the reasons now is all the angles and all the cameras. But he heard conflicting voices in his head. And it was this: He should have thrown his changeup that inning. The baseball player his starsign is Aries and he is now 56 years of age. Rod Allen, the former player and broadcaster, once told a radio audience that he saw the glove-talking practice while playing in Japan in the late 1980s. No, everything Maddux threw was defined by two words: Late movement. It was what the ball did in the last 10 feet that mattered. I thought, What is he doing? But this man has been reading lips for a long time before I even came over there (to the Giants). Former Braves president Stan Kasten promised Greg Maddux months ago that he would attend the game in which Maddux tried for his 300th career win. In July that year, when playing for the Padres against the Braves, Maddux knocked a single off Charlie Morton and then, yep, stole second base. He made his 70 million dollar fortune with Atlanta Braves& Chicago Cubs. The quick counter is that Maddux has his own theories about why pitchers now cover their faces with gloves, and his origin story involves some foul language, an annoyed wife and a journeyman outfielder with a mere 20 lifetime home runs. Its important to note here that Clark has no desire to gloat. Thats just finding a weakness from an opponent and using it to your advantage.. His respect for Maddux is profound. The Gibsons, the Koufaxes and Drysdales did it with power and intimidation, a befuddled Yankees manager Joe Torre said. I really do. -- Greg Maddux, I daydream just like everybody else. Do I even need to tell you what a thrill it is to sit down with Greg Maddux and talk pitching? Two runs scored. Baseball News, Analysis, History, Schedule, Rumors. "I don't even think about. That was my take on it. No, he is not haunted by the moment. And hes quite a bit shorter than Maddux (who is 6 feet), plus (Zimmer) is on the downslope of the mound. I'll tell you what I throw. Maddux is a master of strategically timed nose picking, sidling up to an unsuspecting rookie in the shower and urinating on the kid's leg, and inventing just the right nickname for a teammate . "The best pitchers have a short term memory and a bullet proof confidence.". So, I can see Maddux. Maddux said he knew it was time to retire when he threw a pitch at Dodger Stadium in 2008, executed everything perfectly, peeked at the scoreboard and saw 82 miles per hour. When people say (nice) things you take them as compliments and it's nice, but it won't help you win your next game. Yours too, I assume. A popular meme says that out of the 20,421 batters Maddux faced in his career, only 310 saw a 30 count and 177 were intentional walks. To get in your head. Now, you will ask, what is the lesson to take from that? This time, though, the Yankees pitcher and his catcher, Jose Trevino, were both wearing microphones for the broadcast. This is second-level stuff, right? Lets take a deep breath and dive into some key moments in this evolution of baseball protocol. That's what you do to pitch. Maddux was only 23 . So thanks for that. He knew it in his heart as he stood on the mound the changeup was the pitch. The hypnotist called a dozen or so people up on the stage, including a friend of mine, and then proceeded to hypnotize them and have them do various absurd but harmless things act like a chicken, sing a song out loud, etc. Greg Maddux, Robin Roberts, Warren Spahn, Orel Hershiser. This may sound pretty typical for Maddux in his heyday the guy threw a lot of shutout. If you look five columns to the left of where I highlighted his total batters faced, youll see he intentionally walked 177 batters over the course of his career. Its mind-blowing. 1. The four-time National League Cy Young Award winner says he never received a contract offer because a Yankees executive suffered a heart attack at the time. Maddux left that game disgusted with himself. At the least, he said, pitchers adapted when Maddux started covering his mouth, even if the precise original motivation was unclear. At least 312 saw a 30 count and at least 153 of those were intentional walks. If thats what the meme said, itd still something I read and say yep, he sure was great! and would still be shared like crazy on social media. Instead of doing 5 good pitches an inning, try to make six. We will see what makes this claim false, what the true number is, and the mistake made by the original creator of the meme. He worked through things in spring training, and by Opening Day he did feel more positive and self-assured. Chicks dig the long ball. Check out the complete series on this topic page, Roger Clemens: High-90s fastball, death-defying split-fingered fastball, Randy Johnson: High-90s fastball and one of the greatest sliders in baseball history. Not since Walter Johnson pitched for the Washington Senators in the Teens has baseball seen such a dominating right-hander. 4th inning: Two groundouts and one infield lineout He threw a three-hit shutout to kick things off in Atlanta. You can be more consistent with your mental approach, the things you do physically on the mound. His first and biggest love is baseball. Until now. Then again, Clark didnt want to give sole credit to his baseball espionage. And, in baseball terms: Thank God I didnt miss it.. There is no special food or anything like that, I just try to make quality pitches and try to be prepared each time I go out there., What has benefited me the most is learning I can't control what happens outside of my pitching.. Gibson didn't attempt a single steal until his seventh year in the Majors, but he ended his Hall of Fame career with 13 swipes. When I read that, my eyebrows became erect. Myth: Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters during his career. Over the next four seasons, Maddux would go 69-49 for Chicago with a 2.97 ERA in just over 1,000 innings. It's hard to know what people really expect of you, and I've never tried to live up to expectations anyway. Evan is the owner and sole contributor of Thompson Talks, a website discussing the Big Four North American Pro Sports as well as soccer. Across his 23-year MLB career, the first-ballot Hall of Famer stacked up 355 wins; four Cy Young awards; more than 3,000 strikeouts; and a sky-scraping WAR of 104.8. Let me give you a little heads up to all of this stuff, OK? he said. That's no way to play baseball. -- Greg Maddux, I try to do two things: locate my fastball and change speeds. Perhaps more, though. Greg Maddux had every intention to sign with the Yankees in 1992, but he says he never received a contract offer because one of the Yankee front office members had a heart attack (via @ToeingTheSlab) pic.twitter.com/fz6qo05A8J Talkin' Yanks (@TalkinYanks) January 18, 2022 I always felt like you cant win the game on seven or eight pitches, but you sure can lose it. Maddux was undoubtedly spent. In fact, Maddux saw Gwynn more than anyone. If you are going to get beat, get beat with your best pitch. His best pitch was the fastball. With the best pitcher in baseball in the fold for at least part of that run, perhaps they'd have hoisted one or two more trophies. (Youre exactly correct, Clark said.) This seems like a second truth from the meme, but its actually a half-truth. Sometimes hitters can pick up differences in spin. As mentioned earlier, it is impossible to know. I loved those guys and so many others, but Maddux was a breed apart for reasons that, even now, Im not entirely sure I can put into words. After Justice struck out, he was enraged. It came with all the typical notes of such a moment: A crowd. For more details, review our, a fantastic quote that Maddux once had about Gwynn, Seahawks considering interesting strategy with 1st-round pick, Patrick Cantlay shares why no-cut golf is a good thing. And then I see Maddux covering his mouth, Clark said. Hall of Famer Greg Maddux is one of the greatest pitchers of the Live Ball Era. In Game 2 of the 1996 World Series, he walked to the mound in the first inning at Yankee Stadium with a 1-0 lead, and he promptly put sleeper hold on the Yankees and the city of New York. After that Yankees World Series game, for instance, Joe Torre said, he gets a lot of calls, though he quickly added, and he deserves to get them.. But Im definitely gonna look now, Clark said. I just throw my fastball (to) both sides of the plate and change speed every now and then. He had to be able to see someone where he could see exactly what they said and I guarantee, he was like, forget that, they aint reading my lips.. In reality, though, he held all the cards all the time. And then the next year, when I come into spring training, its even more of a big story.. Only 644 (that we know of; we are missing data for 1,166 batters) saw a 30 count and 153 came on intentional walks. As Kay noted, the Yankees turned to Jimmy Key in free agency, signing the lefty to a four-year, $17 million deal. But while the stories may have overstated things for effect, it is certainly true that Maddux did not work with those one or two death-defying pitches that have marked the greatest pitchers ever. 2nd inning: Three groundouts It dropped to 4.9% in 1993 and was only higher than 5% in one of his remaining seasons (2002). I dont have any special love for any of the teams Maddux played for. Greg Maddux Position: Pitcher Bats: Right Throws: Right 6-0 , 170lb (183cm, 77kg) Born: April 14, 1966 in San Angelo, TX More bio, uniform, draft, salary info Hall of Fame 4x Cy Young 8x All-Star 1995 World Series 18x Gold Glove 4x ERA Title 31 31 36 30 Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Hundreds of pitchers . Kaat was 41 in 1980 when he swiped a base against the Pirates. Maddux, who instead signed with the Atlanta Braves, nonetheless played a pivotal role in the Bronx Bombers' next championship. Which originally was the team I wanted to go to, before I went to New York.. He didnt do that much, particularly in his prime. Pride was a fluent lip-reader, and Maddux says that pitchers around the league were well aware of that. This Nike commercial featuring the two Baseball Hall of Fame pitchers, St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire and actress Heather Locklear was incredible when it was first released in 1999 . Im more confident with all of my pitches., I have a lot of confidence now, he said. When they're in a jam, a lot of pitcherstry to throw harder. But he said Mitchell let it slip to a few Giants teammates, who let it slip to a few beat writers. They'll stick to the realm of reality insofar as this matter is concerned. On Dec. 9, 1992, with Maddux coming off his first Cy Young Award following a 20-11, 2.18 ERA season as a Cub, the Braves inked the right-hander to a five-year, $28 million deal. The problem with the meme is that its not totally correct. Greg Maddux is indubitably one of the greatest pitchers ever to toe the slab. Maddux did. So we have two at-bats now, and he has not come in on me.. 3rd inning: Two groundouts and a caught stealing There are batting, pitching, and fielding stats available for every player on the site. Did he deserve to get them? Then there is the pitcher with a 4.50 ERA in 2020. To hear Maddux tell it now, though, he was on his way to being a Yankee before signing with Atlanta: Greg Maddux had every intention to sign with the Yankees in 1992, but he says he never received a contract offer because one of the Yankee front office members had a heart attack(via @ToeingTheSlab) pic.twitter.com/fz6qo05A8J. The former Atlanta Braves hurler faced Gwynn 107 times during their overlapping Hall-of-Fame careers. I would tell our fans, He doesnt have halitosis. Atlanta Braves pitchers Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux taught us that in a commercial 20 years ago and it still rings true today. 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